Sony Bravia 2009 Series KDL-40WE5

[Illico]

...So this is probably the best profiles.xml for my vintage Bravia and maybe Illico's KDL-46EX501 EX5 etc series unless Illico needs further minor adjustments. Looking at the specs for some of the latest 3D IPTV Bravia beasties, there appears to be no further changes as far as DLNA is concerned. So this could be a good profile candidate for Sony Bravia TV to be included in Servio 0.4.2.
Do you guys concur?

See the DLNA Test Certificate of your KDL-46WE5 model ( http://www.dlna.org/products) in Search&Match
REG37747376.pdf
I think its possible to stream MPEG-TS file without transcode.

[zip]

If that is the case then the transcoding profile would be better to just remux h264 content into mpeg2ts, rather that transcode it into mpeg2video.

[Illico]

Yes, i think Sony Bravia EX500 and WE5 can stream HD MPEG2-TS file without transcode, for exemple : MPEG2_TS_EU HD H.264
See another source of information for KDL-40WE5 Media compatibility results with DLNA Media servers from support.sony-europe.com

Video_WE5.JPG (80.18 KiB) Viewed 17051 times

I agree according to the Specs HD-MPEG-TS should be supported.

For testing
1) Sample MPEG TS, both high and standard definition from:
http://www.nextcomwireless.com/R5000/samples.htm

Here are the sample TS video files I used.
hbo_dtc_sd.ts......SD-MPEG-TS
hbo_trailer_dtc.ts.....HD-MPEG-TS

When I remove <Matches container="mpegts" /> from my profiles.xml I get "playback not available" when I select either SD or HD TS video file although the icon appears. I assume removing this <matches> is the same as the Bravia able to stream without transcoding.

Are these valid TS video samples to use here?

Petr:

If that is the case then the transcoding profile would be better to just remux h264 content into mpeg2ts, rather that transcode it into mpeg2video.

What snippet of code could be used to test this out.

Thanks

[zip]

Petr:

If that is the case then the transcoding profile would be better to just remux h264 content into mpeg2ts, rather that transcode it into mpeg2video.

What snippet of code could be used to test this out.

something like:

  Code:

<Video targetContainer="mpegts">
  <Matches container="matroska" vCodec="h264" />
  <Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264" />
</Video>

It means: all MKV and AVI files with h264 video (and any audio) rewrap into mpegts container (and keep their original video and audio streams) -> no transcoding will tkae place, only rewrapping, which is lossless and much faster.

something like:

I tried combining this suggestion with Illico's <MediaFormatProfiles> in his "[Profile] Sony bravia 2010 series"

  Code:

<Profile id="9" name="Sony Bravia TV" extendsProfileId="1">
           
            <Detection>
                <X-AV-Client-Info>BRAVIA.*</X-AV-Client-Info>
            </Detection>

            <MediaFormatProfiles>
               <MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/mpeg" name="MPEG_TS_SD_EU_ISO">MPEG_TS_SD_EU</MediaFormatProfile>
               <MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/vnd.dlna.mpeg-tts" name="AVC_TS_HD_24_AC3">AVC_TS_MP_HD_AC3</MediaFormatProfile>
            </MediaFormatProfiles>


            <Transcoding>

                <Video targetContainer="mpegts">
                   <Matches container="matroska" vCodec="h264" />
                   <Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264" />
                </Video>

                <Video targetContainer="mpeg" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetACodec="ac3">
                   <Matches container="asf" />
                   <Matches container="avi" />
                   <Matches container="mp4" />                                                   
                </Video>

            </Transcoding>

         </Profile>


Now all works including MPEG-TS HBO sample videos, except I lose the Divx HD Plus (MKV with h264 and AAC) videos

[Illico]

Hello Paul,

Great! We are close to the purpose -> Profile.xml for all 2009/2010 Sony Bravia series.

I would also like to have files "Matroska" remuxed in MPEG2TS without transcoding of the video (Audio can be remuxed to AC3)

For testing could you try this?

  Code:

<Profile id="9" name="Sony Bravia TV" extendsProfileId="1">           
            <Detection>
                <X-AV-Client-Info>BRAVIA.*</X-AV-Client-Info>
            </Detection>
            <MediaFormatProfiles>
               <MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/mpeg" name="MPEG_TS_SD_EU_ISO">MPEG_TS_SD_EU</MediaFormatProfile>
               <MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/vnd.dlna.mpeg-tts" name="AVC_TS_HD_24_AC3">AVC_TS_MP_HD_AC3</MediaFormatProfile>
            </MediaFormatProfiles>
            <Transcoding>
                <Video targetContainer="mpegts" targetACodec="ac3">
                   <Matches container="matroska" vCodec="h264" />
                   <Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264" />
                </Video>
            </Transcoding>
         </Profile>

Question: In your previews post, there wer two line with <Matches container="avi" .... >, how does parser work?

<Video targetContainer="mpegts">
<Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264" />
</Video>

<Video targetContainer="mpeg" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetACodec="ac3">
<Matches container="avi" />
</Video>

An "avi" video with "h264" matches the two video profile?

[Illico]

...For testing
1) Sample MPEG TS, both high and standard definition from:
2) Sample Divx Plus HD - high definition MKV (H.264 + AAC) from:
3) Sample Quicktime MOV from:
All 3 are recognised and played except for (3) where it starts to play then says temporarily lost connection to server. ... I think there is no problem with the Serviio Server itself, but we reached the maximum streaming throughput. The KDL-40WE5 only has an Ethernet 100 Mbps wired connection and no wireless connection.

I read that Sony Bravia could be limited to 25Mbps for MPEG-PS(AC3) stream, and 50Mbps for MPEG-TSAC3, and has been set for a max Level4.1 input.

[zip]

Question: In your previews post, there wer two line with <Matches container="avi" .... >, how does parser work?

<Video targetContainer="mpegts">
<Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264" />
</Video>

<Video targetContainer="mpeg" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetACodec="ac3">
<Matches container="avi" />
</Video>

An "avi" video with "h264" matches the two video profile?

It takes the first match, in the order you specify in the profile. So in thi case all avi's with h264 get matched first and remuxed into mpeg2ts and all the others will be transcoded into mpeg2ps. So this should be correct. You might want to do the same with Matroska files, as it may also include other than h264 streams.

For testing could you try this?

Unfortunately Illico that profile was a bit catastrophic on my poor old KDL-40WE5 - it really spat the dummy.
All my videos disappeared and only the DivX HD Plus (MKV with H.264 + AAC) were left, even the sample Mpeg_ts videos from HBO were gone.

I had to fall back to

  Code:

<Profile id="9" name="Sony Bravia TV" extendsProfileId="1">
           
            <Detection>
                <X-AV-Client-Info>BRAVIA.*</X-AV-Client-Info>
            </Detection>                   

            <Transcoding>
                <Video targetContainer="mpeg" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetACodec="ac3" maxVBitrate="15360">
                   <Matches container="asf" />
                   <Matches container="avi" />
                   <Matches container="matroska" />
                   <Matches container="mp4" />
                   <Matches container="mpegts" />                   
                </Video>
            </Transcoding>

         </Profile>


I think Serviio must have some kind of inbuilt working database, as it would not fall back at first, kept saying no items founds - database got highly too fragmented with many changes. I ended up uninstalling Serviio and re-installing and updating the profiles.xml file for Sony Bravia TV as shown.
Maybe we need several profiles like the Samsung TV afterall.

For testing could you try this?

Unfortunately Illico that profile was a bit catastrophic on my poor old KDL-40WE5 - it really spat the dummy.
All my videos disappeared and only the DivX HD Plus (MKV with H.264 + AAC) were left, even the sample Mpeg_ts videos from HBO were gone.

I had to fall back to

  Code:

<Profile id="9" name="Sony Bravia TV" extendsProfileId="1">
           
            <Detection>
                <X-AV-Client-Info>BRAVIA.*</X-AV-Client-Info>
            </Detection>                   

            <Transcoding>
                <Video targetContainer="mpeg" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetACodec="ac3" maxVBitrate="15360">
                   <Matches container="asf" />
                   <Matches container="avi" />
                   <Matches container="matroska" />
                   <Matches container="mp4" />
                   <Matches container="mpegts" />                   
                </Video>
            </Transcoding>

         </Profile>


I think Serviio must have some kind of inbuilt index working database, as it would not fall back at first, kept saying no items founds - index database got highly fragmented with too many changes. I ended up uninstalling Serviio and re-installing and updating the profiles.xml file for Sony Bravia TV as shown.
Maybe we need several profiles like the Samsung TV afterall.

[Illico]

...All my videos disappeared and only the DivX HD Plus (MKV with H2,264 + AAC) were left, even the sample Mpeg_ts videos from HBO were gone.

It was the purpose of the test I just wanted to verify that only MKV (with h264) and AVI (with h264) files stayed.
Nevertheless, can you confirm that it continues to work for these files mkv and avi?

It was the purpose of the test I just wanted to verify that only MKV (with h264) and AVI (with h264) files stayed.

  Code:

<Profile id="9" name="Sony Bravia TV" extendsProfileId="1">           
            <Detection>
                <X-AV-Client-Info>BRAVIA.*</X-AV-Client-Info>
            </Detection>

            <MediaFormatProfiles>
               <MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/mpeg" name="MPEG_TS_SD_EU_ISO">MPEG_TS_SD_EU</MediaFormatProfile>
               <MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/vnd.dlna.mpeg-tts" name="AVC_TS_HD_24_AC3">AVC_TS_MP_HD_AC3</MediaFormatProfile>
            </MediaFormatProfiles>
            <Transcoding>
                <Video targetContainer="mpegts">
                    <Matches container="matroska" vCodec="h264" />
                    <Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264" />
                </Video>

                <Video targetContainer="mpeg" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetACodec="ac3">
                   <Matches container="asf" />
                   <Matches container="avi" />
                   <Matches container="matroska" />
                   <Matches container="mp4" />                         
                </Video>

            </Transcoding>
         </Profile>

I tried combining the two i.e if HD video then remux mpeg-ts otherwise mpeg, but now things are unpredicable and the Divx HD Plus MKV files disappear altogether.

Fell back again to

  Code:

<Profile id="9" name="Sony Bravia TV" extendsProfileId="1">
           
            <Detection>
                <X-AV-Client-Info>BRAVIA.*</X-AV-Client-Info>
            </Detection>                   

            <Transcoding>

                <Video targetContainer="mpeg" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetACodec="ac3" maxVBitrate="15360">
                   <Matches container="asf" />
                   <Matches container="avi" />
                   <Matches container="matroska" />
                   <Matches container="mp4" />
                   <Matches container="mpegts" />                   
                </Video>

            </Transcoding>

         </Profile>

[Illico]

Hmm, Ok, if you want, we can create separate Profile for 2009 and 2010 Bravia TV
2009

* KDL-22E5300 / E5310
* KDL-32E5500 / E5510 / E5520 / V5500 / V5610 / W5500 / W5710 / W5720 / W5730 / W5740
* KDL-37V5500 / V5610 / W5500 / W5710 / W5720 / W5730 / W5740
* KDL-40E5500 / E5510 / E5520 / V5500 / V5610 / W5500 / W5710 / W5720 / W5730 / W5740 / WE5 / Z5500 / Z5710
* KDL-46V5500 / V5610 / W5500 / W5710 / W5720 / W5730 / W5740 / WE5 / Z5500
* KDL-52V5500 / V5610 / W5500 / Z5500

2010

* KDL-32EX403 / EX500 / EX501 / EX503 / EX505 / EX508 / EX603 / EX605 / EX700 / EX701 / EX703 / EX705 / EX706 / EX707 / EX709 / NX503
* KDL-37EX403 / EX500 / EX503 / EX505
* KDL-40EX403 / EX500 / EX501 / EX503 / EX505 / EX508 / EX603 / EX605 / EX700 / EX701 / EX703 / EX705 / EX706 / EX707 / EX708 / EX709 / HX700 / HX701 / HX703 / HX705 / NX503
* KDL-46EX403 / EX500 / EX501 / EX503 / EX505 / EX700 / EX701/ EX703 / EX705 / EX706 / EX707 / EX708 / EX709 / HX700 / HX703 / HX705
* KDL-52EX700 / EX703 / EX705
* KDL-55EX500 / EX503 / EX505
* KDL-60EX700 / EX703 / EX705

I am not in front of my TV, so I can't test, but this evening, I'll test the following profile on my EX500

  Code:

<Profile id="9" name="Sony Bravia TV" extendsProfileId="1">
           
    <Detection>
        <X-AV-Client-Info>BRAVIA.*</X-AV-Client-Info>
    </Detection>

    <MediaFormatProfiles>
        <MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/mpeg" name="MPEG_TS_SD_EU_ISO">MPEG_TS_SD_EU</MediaFormatProfile>
        <MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/vnd.dlna.mpeg-tts" name="AVC_TS_HD_24_AC3">AVC_TS_MP_HD_AC3</MediaFormatProfile>
    </MediaFormatProfiles>

    <Transcoding>
        <!-- Parser takes the first match, in the order specifed in this profile. -->
       
        <!-- First remux all h264 video on MPEG-TS stream with ac3 audio transcoding, expected profile AVC_TS_MP_HD_AC3 -->
        <Video targetContainer="mpegts" targetACodec="ac3">
            <Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264" />
            <Matches container="mp4" vCodec="h264" />
            <Matches container="matroska" vCodec="h264" />
            <Matches container="mpegts" /> <!-- if audio different to ac3, mus be transcoded -->
        </Video>

        <!-- All Others video/audio codec will be transcoded into mpeg2ts, mpeg2video and ac3 audio. -->
        <Video targetContainer="mpegts" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetACodec="ac3">
            <Matches container="asf" />
            <Matches container="avi" />
            <Matches container="mp4" />
            <Matches container="matroska" />
        </Video>

    </Transcoding>
   
    <AutomaticImageRotation>true</AutomaticImageRotation>

</Profile>

Hi Illico, really starting to take shape now.

1) All plays OK now except for DivX Plus HD MKV sample video like "Iron_Man_2-DivXPlusHD", I get 'playback not available'. Maybe you have to check for audio codec aac instead.

http://www.divx.com/en/electronics/solu ... s-hd/video

Maybe this is where the 2009 and 2010 Bravia models are diferentiated. I notice there is no AAC in the KDL-40WE5 sink file but there is 'AVC_TS_JP_AAC_T' in KDL-46EX501. Maybe needs further investigation.

2) The 'sample_iTunes' MOV from Apple I get "Temporarily cannot access server. Please retry"

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1425

If you can pull this one off, still some hope of getting a single profile for Sony Bravia, unlike the several different profiles for Samsung.

Cheers,
Paul

[zip]

Guys, I wound not recommend using this in the first part of transocingdefinition:

  Code:

<Matches container="mpegts" /> <!-- if audio different to ac3, mus be transcoded -->

It'll invoke transcoding of all ts files and will therefore create temp files, will take some CPU atc. You should list the audio codecs you want to be transcoded separately, like:

  Code:

<Matches container="mpegts" aCodec="aac" />
<Matches container="mpegts" aCodec="mp3" /> <!-- this might even work natively? -->
<Matches container="mpegts" aCodec="dca" />

[Illico]

PaulBravia,
Could you enable debug mode on log file, catch the line of "ffmeg.exe -i" when you start streaming "Iron Man 2", and copy/paste the command here, please?

Could you enable debug mode on log file, catch the line of "ffmeg.exe -i" when you start streaming "Iron Man 2", and copy/paste the command here, please?

Hi Ilico, since 'Iron_Man_2-DivXPlusHD.mkv' icon does not appear on Serviio with your sony bravia profile on my KDL-40WE5, I did an ffmpeg -i from cmd prompt instead. This file can be downloaded from http://www.divx.com/en/electronics/solu ... s-hd/video

Does the video appear on your KDL-46EX501 with your profile?

D:\Users\Paul\Videos>ffmpeg -i iron_man*
FFmpeg version SVN-r24254-Sherpya, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 the FFmpeg developers

built on Jul 16 2010 12:29:30 with gcc 4.2.5 20090330 (prerelease) [Sherpya]
libavutil 50.22. 0 / 50.22. 0
libavcodec 52.83. 0 / 52.83. 0
libavformat 52.73. 0 / 52.73. 0
libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
libavfilter 1.22. 0 / 1.22. 0
libswscale 0.11. 0 / 0.11. 0
libpostproc 51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0
[matroska @ 01bcbe90] Unknown entry 0xC6
[matroska @ 01bcbe90] Unknown entry 0xEA
[matroska @ 01bcbe90] Unknown entry 0x53B8
[matroska @ 01bcbe90] Unknown entry 0xC6
[matroska @ 01bcbe90] Unknown entry 0xEA
[matroska @ 01bcbe90] Unknown entry 0x2AD1D3
[matroska @ 01bcbe90] Estimating duration from bitrate, this may be inaccurate
Input #0, matroska, from 'Iron_Man_2-DivXPlusHD.mkv':
Duration: 00:02:30.51, start: 0.000000, bitrate: N/A
Stream #0.0(eng): Video: h264, yuvj420p, 1920x800 [PAR 1:1 DAR 12:5], 23.98
fps, 23.98 tbr, 1k tbn, 47.95 tbc
Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16
At least one output file must be specified

I am not certain that you used the tool cleanly, the result looks like an xml file format, not a log file...

This a Windows OS tool.
- Dowload the tools here
- Unzip to c:\temp for example
- Launch C:\Temp\magpie4\magpie.cmd, first a Dos window appeares and following a java console.
Select a device (in the left panel : BRAVIA KDL-52XBR9) to automatically analyze the device.
When the analysis is done you will find the raw result in th right panel.
You can submit your data then by clicking the button on top or Copy/Paste the result on forum

OK, I think I did it right this time. Here is the log file:

2010-07-26 22:14:50,665 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Controller: Device added: Wireless N Gigabit Router TL-WR1043N
2010-07-26 22:14:52,066 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Controller: Device added: Magpie
2010-07-26 22:16:18,135 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: actionControlReceived: urn:schemas-upnp-org:serviceId:ContentDirectory::GetSortCapabilities (Magpie)
2010-07-26 22:16:18,135 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: remote inet address: /192.168.1.2
2010-07-26 22:16:18,135 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: header: POST /ContentDirectory HTTP/1.1
X-AV-Physical-Unit-Info: pa="BRAVIA KDL-52XBR9";
X-AV-Client-Info: av=5.0; cn="Sony Corporation"; mn="BRAVIA KDL-52XBR9"; mv="1.7";
Host: 192.168.1.4:4004
User-Agent: UPnP/1.0 DLNADOC/1.50
Content-Length: 280
Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8"
SOAPACTION: "urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1#GetSortCapabilities"

2010-07-26 22:16:19,539 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: actionControlReceived: urn:schemas-upnp-org:serviceId:ContentDirectory::GetSortCapabilities (Magpie)
2010-07-26 22:16:19,539 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: remote inet address: /192.168.1.2
2010-07-26 22:16:19,539 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: header: POST /ContentDirectory HTTP/1.1
X-AV-Physical-Unit-Info: pa="BRAVIA KDL-52XBR9";
X-AV-Client-Info: av=5.0; cn="Sony Corporation"; mn="BRAVIA KDL-52XBR9"; mv="1.7";
Host: 192.168.1.4:4004
User-Agent: UPnP/1.0 DLNADOC/1.50
Content-Length: 280
Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8"
SOAPACTION: "urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1#GetSortCapabilities"

2010-07-26 22:17:41,283 INFO net.wellfield.magpie.Start: submitting to http://www.upnp-database.info/submitPla ... oller.view
2010-07-26 22:17:41,642 INFO net.wellfield.magpie.Start: player data submitted
2010-07-26 22:18:02,523 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Controller: Device removed: Magpie
2010-07-26 22:18:35,461 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: actionControlReceived: urn:schemas-upnp-org:serviceId:ContentDirectory::GetSortCapabilities (Magpie)
2010-07-26 22:18:35,461 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: remote inet address: /192.168.1.2
2010-07-26 22:18:35,461 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Server: header: POST /ContentDirectory HTTP/1.1
X-AV-Physical-Unit-Info: pa="BRAVIA KDL-52XBR9";
X-AV-Client-Info: av=5.0; cn="Sony Corporation"; mn="BRAVIA KDL-52XBR9"; mv="1.7";
Host: 192.168.1.4:4004
User-Agent: UPnP/1.0 DLNADOC/1.50
Content-Length: 280
Content-Type: text/xml; charset="utf-8"
SOAPACTION: "urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1#GetSortCapabilities"

2010-07-26 22:18:35,583 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Controller: Device added: Wireless N Gigabit Router TL-WR1043N
2010-07-26 22:18:37,826 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Controller: Device added: Magpie
2010-07-26 22:19:56,934 DEBUG net.wellfield.magpie.Controller: Device removed: Magpie

Let me know if this helps. I will run Zip's sink tool next. Thanks all

Fig

[Illico]

OK, I think I did it right this time. Here is the log file...

This is not a result of "GetProtocolInfo sink" that magpie tools get back on his Java console, this is the dos console log result, nothing appears on the java console ?!.
It does not help me, only for that line:
X-AV-Client-Info: av=5.0; cn="Sony Corporation"; mn="BRAVIA KDL-52XBR9"; mv="1.7"; that provide Profile name matching.

So try with Zip's tools, look at this "HOWTO: Provide supported formats of a device topic"