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Paul C

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Post Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:45 pm

Audio Artist / Album alphabetical indexing order issue

I have noted that the listing order is in the wrong alphabetical order for albums with "The" at the beginning.
I have checked the metadata and it is correct.

Example of album titles (within Artist)

Blue Guitars; Texas Blues, Disc 5
The Blue Jukebox - THIS IS IN WRONG ORDER
Chris Rea
Dancing with Strangers


For example the album is "The Road To Hell" not "Road To Hell"

I will check other categories.
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Post Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:22 pm

Re: Audio Artist / Album alphabetical indexing order issue

You will find that most DLNA servers will ignore the letter A or the word The if it's the first word of a title. It seems to be some sort of standard, although I have no idea if it's an actual recorded standard. Plex does the same thing. The folder view gives you the titles in absolute alphabetical order, but to my knowledge that's the only one that does.
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Post Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:41 pm

Re: Audio Artist / Album alphabetical indexing order issue

atc98092 wrote:You will find that most DLNA servers will ignore the letter A or the word The if it's the first word of a title. It seems to be some sort of standard, although I have no idea if it's an actual recorded standard. Plex does the same thing. The folder view gives you the titles in absolute alphabetical order, but to my knowledge that's the only one that does.


Follow-up
The Album, Album/Artist and Titles categories are all also incorrect.

Dan
I note your comment but surely it is wrong.
Surely all the categories should give the absolute alphabetical order.

I am aware (and even use) the comma option convention e.g. (Rolling Stones, The) and (Beatles, The).
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Post Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:08 pm

Re: Audio Artist / Album alphabetical indexing order issue

No, I'm not wrong.

I just added one of my media folders into Windows Media Player, and when it indexed each file it ignored the word "The" if it's the first word in the title. For example, The Cable Guy is grouped under C, not T. A Letter to Three Wives is under L, not A.

And this is not though Serviio. This is the way Windows groups the titles. Before I decided on Serviio I tried a number of other DLNA servers, and they all did it the same way.
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Post Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:56 am

Re: Audio Artist / Album alphabetical indexing order issue

atc98092 wrote:No, I'm not wrong.

I just added one of my media folders into Windows Media Player, and when it indexed each file it ignored the word "The" if it's the first word in the title. For example, The Cable Guy is grouped under C, not T. A Letter to Three Wives is under L, not A.

And this is not though Serviio. This is the way Windows groups the titles. Before I decided on Serviio I tried a number of other DLNA servers, and they all did it the same way.



Sorry Dan I was not implying you were wrong but rather that the I thought the concept is wrong.

Looking for "Wall" instead of "The Wall" seems strange to me.
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Post Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:05 pm

Re: Audio Artist / Album alphabetical indexing order issue

:D
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Post Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:37 pm

Re: Audio Artist / Album alphabetical indexing order issue

Have added a request for true Alphabetical indexing as an option to BitBucket.
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