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Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:24 pm
by Speedy1205
Hi Guys,

I have the Samsung UE46D6000 Smart TV which works with the Generic Profile of Serviio, but the sound is very poor. With the generic Profile the time search is working but the sound is really very poor. When I change the Profile to Samsung TV / Player C/D than the sound is great but I can not use anymore the time search function ? Is there some what I could change ?

Really would like to get the sound working proper :-)

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:19 pm
by DenyAll
What type of file are you playing? Post MediaInfo details for the file.

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:04 pm
by Speedy1205
Here is the media info for the file:

General
Complete name : Z:\Videos\Serien\Gute_Zeiten_schlechte_Zeiten_15.02.09_19-40_rtl_35_TVOON_DE.mpg.HQ.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
File size : 392 MiB
Duration : 50mn 48s
Overall bit rate : 1 079 Kbps
Movie name : Gute Zeiten, schlechte Zeiten
Encoded by : www.onlinetvrecorder.com
Writing application : Lavf54.17.100
Comment : Folge 5679. Chris stürzt Lilly mal wieder ins Gefühlschaos. Emily und Ayla gehen aufeinander los. Sunny erfährt, dass Vince polizeibekannt ist.

Video
ID : 0
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : H264
Duration : 50mn 48s
Bit rate : 874 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.084
Stream size : 318 MiB (81%)
Writing library : x264 core 125 r2200 999b753
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / fade_compensate=0.10 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=6 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=23.0000 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=2:1.00
Color primaries : BT.601 PAL
Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System B, BT.470 System G
Matrix coefficients : BT.601
Color range : Limited

Audio
ID : 1
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 3
Mode : Joint stereo
Mode extension : MS Stereo
Codec ID : 55
Codec ID/Hint : MP3
Duration : 50mn 48s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 69.8 MiB (18%)
Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration : 24 ms (0.60 video frame)

I used the same file with both of the profiles.

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:57 am
by zip
The file is probably transcoded (thus losing the time search function), based on this line in the sam_ef profile:

  Code:
<Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264" />


Weird that the devices should not pay this file. Try disabling transcoding in the console - you'll probably get the same behaviour as with the generic profile. But if anything, sound should be better like this, without transcoding - unless the TV doesn't particularly like mp3.

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:21 am
by Speedy1205
well I running again the Samsung Profile but the issue is that the file is not getting transcoded. So its just streaming it to the TV and sound etc works fine, but the time search is not available. Seems to be only with the avi container. Just watchning a mp4, also not getting transcoded but there I have the Time Search available.

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:15 pm
by zip
ah, so the TV somehow decides it won't support the trick mode. I think it's to do with the file encoding, but what exactly causes this, I'm not sure. You'd have to reencode your file, or at least remux to mp4 or mkv.

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:45 am
by Speedy1205
yeah looks like ... I will try it later from USB stick and will look how this will go. And maybe I will contact Samsung for this maybe they can fix some :-)

Thanks for Help anyway :-)

PS. When using the generic Profile than Time Search works with the same file and its also not getting transcoded. Anyway will just download them as mp4 format .....

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:18 pm
by atc98092
Speedy1205 wrote:yeah looks like ... I will try it later from USB stick and will look how this will go. And maybe I will contact Samsung for this maybe they can fix some :-)

Thanks for Help anyway :-)

PS. When using the generic Profile than Time Search works with the same file and its also not getting transcoded. Anyway will just download them as mp4 format .....


Good luck getting Samsung to even understand what DLNA means :lol: . I've had great difficulty with them understanding the issue I am having with my HU8550. It took two months and two tech visits before they understood that there was a problem. They finally agreed to replace my set, but my dealer hasn't been able to get a new one in stock. Since my exchange is actually store credit, I may just get something else. Samsung's customer service isn't making me warm and fuzzy. :roll:

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:20 am
by DenyAll
Speedy1205 wrote:well I running again the Samsung Profile but the issue is that the file is not getting transcoded.
Are you sure its not being transcoded? By default, the Samsung C/D profile will transcode this file to an mpeg2 container, mpeg2 video and AC3 sound. The transcoding of the sound would explain why it sounds different.

Try remuxing the file to an MP4 container. This should allow the file to be played natively (plus H264 in a MP4 container is generally better supported by vendors than it is in an AVI container). You could also transcode the audio at the same time if that's needed.

Re: Samsung UE46D6000 - timesearch

PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:22 am
by Speedy1205
Are you sure its not being transcoded? By default, the Samsung C/D profile will transcode this file to an mpeg2 container, mpeg2 video and AC3 sound. The transcoding of the sound would explain why it sounds different.


Maybe you was right (anyway I didn't see any CPU usage which I would expect). So I disabled transcoding and now it plays the videos and time search is available with the Samsung profile. Strange .... anyway thanks for Help !