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New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:29 am
by abece
Hello! I am trying to set up 46D8000 to work with Serviio on MacBook. I have succesfully installed Serviio and most of files streams with no problems on my LED TV. But there are problems with some Matroska (*.mkv) files - I am receiving error like 'codec is not supported'. As I understand *.mkv must be transcoded and indeed if check the config file there is new profile entry (id="2") for B series with *.mkv transcoding section. The problem is that in Serviio config client in 'Status' tab 'Renderer Profile' setion I see only 1 line : <TV set IP adderess>, UE46D8000, Generic DLNA profile (but config file has many). The question is - how to create profile for D8000 series? I could dublicate B series config part, but I dont know what must be changet there. I believe the changes must be made in lines
<Detection>
<UPnPSearch>
<FriendlyName>^TV$</FriendlyName>
<ModelName>Samsung DTV DMR</ModelName>
<ModelNumber>1\.0</ModelNumber>
</UPnPSearch>
</Detection>
or in lines
<Profile id="2" name="Samsung TV (B-series)" extendsProfileId="1">
because these are the onliest lines related to SAMSUNG.
Can somebody help with values what must be put there so that Serviio takes SAMSUNG profile not Generic DLNA profile?
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:01 am
by zip
Oh, D series is out? nice. I'd think you should use C series profile, just click on the Generic Profile in the console and you'll be able to select others. Don't forget to Save.
It might still not work with your file, as some H264 streams are not very liked by the TV, but most are (that's why we don't transcode them)
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:44 am
by abece
Indeed. I have to click on 'Profile' column and then drop down with profiles appears. How could I miss that? I will post if selection of 'Samsung C series' profile helped. Let's hope. But this will be the half way at least for me as my initial target was to make it all work on Ubuntu 10.10.
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:53 am
by zip
In order to identify the D series properly in the future, could you install Intel tools (link in my signature, Win only) and run Device Spy. The locate your TV in the list on the left (there might be multiple entries there), right-click, Get Device Description XML and post the result here (for each in the list)? Preferably pack them all into a zip file and attach to this topic.
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:03 pm
by Cerberus
if we can get this up and runnign fast we will eb first ones to support D series and that will go along way to promote serviio
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:13 pm
by abece
I can confirm that Matroska files are working with 46D8000 when C8000 profile is selected. I also attached xml files extracted by Device Spy. Extreamly happy right now...
Now will try to set up this on Ubuntu.
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 6:28 pm
by Cerberus
abece wrote:I can confirm that Matroska files are working with 46D8000 when C8000 profile is selected. I also attached xml files extracted by Device Spy. Extreamly happy right now...
Now will try to set up this on Ubuntu.
awesome so you can confirm that all your files play on a D series when the C series profiel is used ???? can you also confirm what firmware is on your device please
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:06 pm
by abece
In Menu->Support->Software Upgrade->By USB at right side is located such text: Current version: 001003 so I believe this number is firmware version. Right now I have only 7 mkvs to test and there are no problems with them. I will try to get some more test samples encoded with different codecs to test with. Maybe such test samples can be downloaded legaly? If yes, can somebody provide the link?
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:04 pm
by Cerberus
abece wrote:In Menu->Support->Software Upgrade->By USB at right side is located such text: Current version: 001003 so I believe this number is firmware version. Right now I have only 7 mkvs to test and there are no problems with them. I will try to get some more test samples encoded with different codecs to test with. Maybe such test samples can be downloaded legaly? If yes, can somebody provide the link?
yes try the search box for these forums
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=608
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Thu Mar 24, 2011 8:38 pm
by zip
abece wrote:I can confirm that Matroska files are working with 46D8000 when C8000 profile is selected. I also attached xml files extracted by Device Spy. Extreamly happy right now...
Now will try to set up this on Ubuntu.
Thanks for this, I've added D series detection to 0.5.2
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:35 am
by abece
Just found first *.mkv file which can't be played - it gives codec error. Attached ffmpeg log and MediaInfo log. Just saw 'Profile 5' and maybe this is the problem.
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:51 am
by zip
Yes, looks like High profile with level 5.
Could you add the bit of XML to your profile as Illico described here?
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2052#p11492It'll try to transcode it into mpeg2, so will take a lot of CPU (if it's HD)
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:37 pm
by solid54
I also have the D8000 series TV. Unfortunately my video files aren't working. I can get them to work with another DLNA server, just not Serviio. Here is information on one file, any ideas?
FFMPEG info
- Code:
FFmpeg version 0.6-4:0.6-2ubuntu6, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 the FFmpeg developers
built on Oct 5 2010 22:36:53 with gcc 4.4.5
configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu6 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libgsm --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
WARNING: library configuration mismatch
libavutil configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libdirac --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libfaad --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-librtmp --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
libavcodec configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libdirac --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libfaad --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-librtmp --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
libavformat configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libdirac --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libfaad --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-librtmp --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
libavdevice configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libdirac --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libfaad --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-librtmp --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
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libavcodec 52.72. 2 / 52.72. 2
libavformat 52.64. 2 / 52.64. 2
libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
libavfilter 1.19. 0 / 1.19. 0
libswscale 0.11. 0 / 0.11. 0
libpostproc 51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from '*****.m4v':
Metadata:
major_brand : mp42
minor_version : 0
compatible_brands: mp42isomavc1
encoder : HandBrake svn3849 2011031801
Duration: 02:08:12.67, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 3651 kb/s
Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 842x368, 3199 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 448 kb/s
At least one output file must be specified
MediaInfo
- Code:
General
Complete name : *****.m4v
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 3.27 GiB
Duration : 2h 8mn
Overall bit rate : 3 651 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-03-23 21:39:18
Tagged date : UTC 2011-03-24 10:10:23
Writing application : HandBrake svn3849 2011031801
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 6 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 2h 8mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 200 Kbps
Width : 842 pixels
Height : 368 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.25:1
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.345
Stream size : 2.87 GiB (88%)
Writing library : x264 core 114
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=6 / deblock=1:-2:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=64 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=0 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=30 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3200 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date : UTC 2011-03-23 21:39:18
Tagged date : UTC 2011-03-24 10:10:23
Color primaries : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : ac-3
Duration : 2h 8mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 411 MiB (12%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-03-23 21:39:18
Tagged date : UTC 2011-03-24 10:10:23
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:54 pm
by Cerberus
solid54 wrote:I also have the D8000 series TV. Unfortunately my video files aren't working. I can get them to work with another DLNA server, just not Serviio. Here is information on one file, any ideas?
FFMPEG info
- Code:
FFmpeg version 0.6-4:0.6-2ubuntu6, Copyright (c) 2000-2010 the FFmpeg developers
built on Oct 5 2010 22:36:53 with gcc 4.4.5
configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu6 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libgsm --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
WARNING: library configuration mismatch
libavutil configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libdirac --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libfaad --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-librtmp --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
libavcodec configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libdirac --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libfaad --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-librtmp --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
libavformat configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libdirac --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libfaad --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-librtmp --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
libavdevice configuration: --extra-version=4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-vdpau --enable-bzlib --enable-libdirac --enable-libgsm --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-vaapi --enable-pthreads --enable-zlib --enable-libvpx --disable-stripping --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libfaac --enable-nonfree --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-x11grab --enable-libfaad --enable-libxvid --enable-libx264 --enable-librtmp --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-version3 --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libdc1394 --enable-shared --disable-static
libavutil 50.15. 1 / 50.15. 1
libavcodec 52.72. 2 / 52.72. 2
libavformat 52.64. 2 / 52.64. 2
libavdevice 52. 2. 0 / 52. 2. 0
libavfilter 1.19. 0 / 1.19. 0
libswscale 0.11. 0 / 0.11. 0
libpostproc 51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from '*****.m4v':
Metadata:
major_brand : mp42
minor_version : 0
compatible_brands: mp42isomavc1
encoder : HandBrake svn3849 2011031801
Duration: 02:08:12.67, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 3651 kb/s
Stream #0.0(und): Video: h264, yuv420p, 842x368, 3199 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 90k tbn, 59.94 tbc
Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 2 channels, s16, 448 kb/s
At least one output file must be specified
MediaInfo
- Code:
General
Complete name : *****.m4v
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 3.27 GiB
Duration : 2h 8mn
Overall bit rate : 3 651 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-03-23 21:39:18
Tagged date : UTC 2011-03-24 10:10:23
Writing application : HandBrake svn3849 2011031801
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 6 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 2h 8mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 200 Kbps
Width : 842 pixels
Height : 368 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.25:1
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.345
Stream size : 2.87 GiB (88%)
Writing library : x264 core 114
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=6 / deblock=1:-2:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=64 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=0 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=30 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3200 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=3 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date : UTC 2011-03-23 21:39:18
Tagged date : UTC 2011-03-24 10:10:23
Color primaries : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : ac-3
Duration : 2h 8mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 411 MiB (12%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2011-03-23 21:39:18
Tagged date : UTC 2011-03-24 10:10:23
What Profile are you using? for this tv you will need to use the Samsung C series profile until the next release when a D series profile will be added..
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:34 pm
by solid54
I am using the Samsung series C profile. Since these same files work through a different DLNA server without transcoding, I believe they will work with my tv. I would prefer to use Serviio though.
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:49 pm
by Cerberus
solid54 wrote:I am using the Samsung series C profile. Since these same files work through a different DLNA server without transcoding, I believe they will work with my tv. I would prefer to use Serviio though.
hmm no sure on this one i thik this is a question for illico and ZIP sry..
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:20 am
by solid54
Thanks for the help. Looking through the log file I see something I missed before. This is probably causing my problems.
- Code:
2011-03-26 20:18:10,554 WARN [VideoDeliveryEngine] Cannot resolve DLNA format profile of the original file: *******.m4v. Message: MP4 video file ********.m4v does not match any supported DLNA profile
I got it to work using transcoding. I added the following lines to the Samsung C series profile:
- Code:
<!-- transcode H264 MP4 files -->
<Video targetContainer="mpegts" targetACodec="ac3">
<Matches container="mp4" vCodec="h264" />
</Video>
Is there anyway to get these files to work without transcoding? The trancoding makes the video slightly choppy. Thanks.
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:55 am
by Cerberus
solid54 wrote:Thanks for the help. Looking through the log file I see something I missed before. This is probably causing my problems.
- Code:
2011-03-26 20:18:10,554 WARN [VideoDeliveryEngine] Cannot resolve DLNA format profile of the original file: *******.m4v. Message: MP4 video file ********.m4v does not match any supported DLNA profile
I got it to work using transcoding. I added the following lines to the Samsung C series profile:
- Code:
<!-- transcode H264 MP4 files -->
<Video targetContainer="mpegts" targetACodec="ac3">
<Matches container="mp4" vCodec="h264" />
</Video>
Is there anyway to get these files to work without transcoding? The trancoding makes the video slightly choppy. Thanks.
not at the current time as MP4 is not stream friendly
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:49 pm
by zip
He's asking if it can be played natively
It looks that the file doesn't fit into any DLNA profile (I think only SD h264 is supported with ac3 in MOV). I could make it play but it would be going around the standard. Will see - create a bitbucket ticket with link to this topic, pls.
Re: New D8000 series and Matroska
Posted:
Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:02 pm
by Cerberus
zip wrote:He's asking if it can be played natively
It looks that the file doesn't fit into any DLNA profile (I think only SD h264 is supported with ac3 in MOV). I could make it play but it would be going around the standard. Will see - create a bitbucket ticket with link to this topic, pls.
yer i know, they always seem to think we transcode files for the fun of it or to make life difficult, and not for the fact it wont work if it isnt transcioded.