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Yoongbo

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Post Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:47 pm

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

atc98092 wrote:can you tell me the file name? There's almost 3000 lines to go through in the log, and that would save time for searching.

file name is: us.2019.720p.bluray.x264-geckos.mkv
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atc98092

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Post Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:04 pm

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

I wonder if it's transcoding because you have an external SRT file? I can't say for sure, but that might be causing it. However, it is calling for HLS transcoding, so trick play should be working. But maybe it's something specific on a Samsung set, because when my HLS files are transcoded on a Roku player, trick play works. But with the poor support that Samsung offers for DLNA, I wouldn't be surprised if it's something Samsung specific.
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Post Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:11 pm

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

I have had serviio and java on portable usb back in the 1.x and had chromecast also portable and knew for a fact that chromecast transcodes up to 720 with srt perfectly. Then when I would go somewhere every so often it didn't work because the TV did not play nice with srt. Only brands this happened with and I moved around watching serviio a lot haha were Samsung and Sony.

Of course this is anecdotal evidence but it happened a lot. Maybe it's a licensing thing like when home video moved from vhs and vcd to dvd and sony was the first to come out with progressive scan but made sure the firmware rejected burned DVD's.

Those turds lol, I never understood the mindset of we're going to bully pirates and convert them into submissive consumers. Never going to happen waste of time and money.
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Post Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:14 pm

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

tldr imo samsung makes srt and native dlna not work or work poorly because mostly people use it to watch content without subscription.
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Post Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:25 am

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

Yeah, I stopped using the internal Samsung DLNA player long ago, because it was in general just terrible. Far better results with a Roku, Shield, or even a Blu Ray player. I have both a Shield and a Sony BD player on my Samsung set, and never touch the "Smart TV" apps in it. Samsung's DLNA support is miserable.
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Post Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:52 pm

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

atc98092 wrote:I wonder if it's transcoding because you have an external SRT file? I can't say for sure, but that might be causing it. However, it is calling for HLS transcoding, so trick play should be working. But maybe it's something specific on a Samsung set, because when my HLS files are transcoded on a Roku player, trick play works. But with the poor support that Samsung offers for DLNA, I wouldn't be surprised if it's something Samsung specific.

So it comes down to my samsung TV. Yeah it seems the transcoding is somehow relates to the external srt and having Enabled burned-in subtitile. But with generic DLNA profile, even with the srt, that file isn't transcoded (i know because i still have trick play and the pc cpu usage is low). Can you make changes to the Roku 4K TV so that it won't transcode files with audio other than DTS even if i have an external srt (like what the generic DLNA profile does, but still transcode files with DTS audio) ?
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Post Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:39 pm

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

Yoongbo wrote:So it comes down to my Samsung TV. Yeah it seems the transcoding is somehow relates to the external srt and having Enabled burned-in subtitle. But with generic DLNA profile, even with the srt, that file isn't transcoded (i know because i still have trick play and the pc cpu usage is low). Can you make changes to the Roku 4K TV so that it won't transcode files with audio other than DTS even if i have an external srt (like what the generic DLNA profile does, but still transcode files with DTS audio) ?


Enabling burned in subtitles will always transcoding, even if you have transcoding turned off. I should have asked you about that. I don't know if Serviio uses the profile to determine how to transcode to burn-in the subtitle, or if it uses something different. If it uses the profile, then it should be using HLS and trick play should be available. I'm just thinking more and more it's a Samsung thing.

No, I can't edit the Roku profile to support a Samsung TV. :D But perhaps someone can create a new profile for the latest versions of Samsung. Besides, that profile transcodes all audio except for AC3 because Roku doesn't support any other audio codec except 2 channel PCM.
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Post Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:35 pm

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

I just bought an NU7100 yesterday, so will be working on a good profile for it. Just using the generic profile I noticed it played almost everything I have, just with no audio on the lossless media. So it should be a pretty simple profile to capture some unsupported containers and codecs. I did try the Roku 4K TV profile and found that the TV will play HLS transcoded files, but I didn't attempt any trick play with it. Will look into that as well.
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Post Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:43 pm

Re: samsung n series tv profile (i.e., nu 8000, 7100, 6900,

OK, uncovered something completely unexpected. I tested the NU7100 with the Roku TV profile, expecting trick play to work. Surprise, no FF. OK, that's what some of you had reported. However, when I changed the destination container to MPEGTS, voila, fast forward!

Now, don't expect to be able to FF a long ways into a movie after starting playback. It will only move forward as far as the video has been transcoded so far. That means at the beginning you probably can't FF much more than 30 seconds. But the longer the movie plays, and assuming a reasonably fast CPU in your Serviio computer, you should be able to get quite far after 4-5 minutes.

I found that the TV doesn't like VC-1 video, nor the WTV container. WMV videos also require transcoding. But again, fast forward works for all of them. However, resume isn't available for any video, even if transcoding isn't necessary. That seems to be a Samsung issue.

However, compared to my JU7100 it is playing videos from my server far better. My first choice is to still use either my Roku Ultra or Nvidia Shield for playback. The Samsung NU user interface is still just as lousy as it is in my JU series.

I will provide this profile to Zip for inclusion in the next Serviio release. In the meantime you can use this user profile file and select the Samsung TV (NU Series) profile.
user-profiles.xml
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Dan

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