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does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:57 amby n3mmr
looking at flac streams with AV MEdia Controller, it seems serviio sends very few tags along.
Is this true, or am I doing something wrong???
Mind you, there could be problems with ill-formed tags and stuff, or the Media Controller app installation could be missing something. I'm open-minded.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:21 amby zip
It sends as many as it has and are part of the UPnP standard. Which ones are you missing?
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:31 amby n3mmr
zip wrote:It sends as many as it has and are part of the UPnP standard. Which ones are you missing?
Is there actually a UPnP standard for media tags???
What on eartn for?? Why not just send any tags as name:value pairs... never mind me.
Point me to the standard, please.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:16 pmby zip
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:48 pmby n3mmr
thank you
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:01 pmby n3mmr
zip wrote:http://upnp.org/specs/av/UPnP-av-ContentDirectory-v1-Service.pdf
Does this actually address the serving/sending of, say, MP3 ID3 tags and FLAC VorbisComments??
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:40 pmby zip
It includes what upnp elements are available for different content classes, e.g.: upnp:artist, upnp:album, dc:title, etc Internally Serviio parses FLAC/ID3 tags and mapps them to UPnP tags, where appropriate. And then the playback device decides what UPnP tags it will use.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:38 pmby n3mmr
zip wrote:It includes what upnp elements are available for different content classes, e.g.: upnp:artist, upnp:album, dc:title, etc Internally Serviio parses FLAC/ID3 tags and mapps them to UPnP tags, where appropriate. And then the playback device decides what UPnP tags it will use.
I suppose that m,eans there is NO way to get all FLAC Vorbiscomments across to the renderer, then?
Or is there some sort of provision for rendering tags that weren't foreseen when UPnP was specified?
I'm just interested in things like a "Now Playing" screen on a Control Point app in an iPod Touch..
I'm not considering the contents browsing.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:12 pmby zip
No, only what's in the spec. And as I said, the device even picks which of the provided metadata it will use / show.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:40 pmby n3mmr
zip wrote:No, only what's in the spec. And as I said, the device even picks which of the provided metadata it will use / show.
ACTUALLY I have tried to identify what ID3 tags will be sent on down to the rendering device, trying to identify this from that spec paper....
And: I just can't!
There's something I'm missing, or else I need to read one or several more papers.
Or maybe I'm too ......ing old.
Geriatrics, here I come...
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:41 pmby zip
on page 69 is a table listing all possible properties of a media resource. On page 79 starts a description of various media classes and what properties they can or should use for description.
Actual mapping of e.g. ID3 tags is not there, but obviously we can guess. have a look at your media files with AV Media Controller to see what tags Serviio uses.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:42 amby n3mmr
zip wrote:on page 69 is a table listing all possible properties of a media resource. On page 79 starts a description of various media classes and what properties they can or should use for description.
Actual mapping of e.g. ID3 tags is not there, but obviously we can guess. have a look at your media files with AV Media Controller to see what tags Serviio uses.
OK.
And did you say that there is no mechanism for serving any metadata not listed as possible beforehand?
Nothing like a way to hand off an xml or json stream containing any name:value pairs one might fancy?
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:06 amby zip
No, not possible. The client would not even understand those.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:29 amby n3mmr
zip wrote:No, not possible. The client would not even understand those.
Now, THAT could depend on the client..... and, there are two client types: renderers and control point. Such info transfer extensions would only be for the benefit of control point apps.
Never mind.
How about a transcoding-like field-filler spec file, serviio side, to enable a user with a specific need to map tag fields to UPnP fields?
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:12 amby zip
n3mmr wrote:How about a transcoding-like field-filler spec file, serviio side, to enable a user with a specific need to map tag fields to UPnP fields?
Sorry, no. If you're missing some fields, let me know and I'll add them if they fit the spec.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:24 amby n3mmr
zip wrote:n3mmr wrote:How about a transcoding-like field-filler spec file, serviio side, to enable a user with a specific need to map tag fields to UPnP fields?
Sorry, no. If you're missing some fields, let me know and I'll add them if they fit the spec.
Is this for lack of time or a design decision?
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:05 amby zip
both
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:30 pmby n3mmr
I'm getting more and more convinced that:
standards claiming to exist to facilitate music listening are invariably designed by people who have no idea what music really is.
Sigh.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:35 pmby n3mmr
for a flac file at least, serviio sends the file name incl extension part as the title, even if there is a title tag defined.
Re: does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?
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Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:42 pmby zip
n3mmr wrote:for a flac file at least, serviio sends the file name incl extension part as the title, even if there is a title tag defined.
Only in the Folder view, right?