does serviio actually send all tag fields for a flac?

[n3mmr]

for a flac file at least, serviio sends the file name incl extension part as the title, even if there is a title tag defined.

Only in the Folder view, right?

you're right, of course.

That is still not very useful: In the folder view, the Album name and the work/opus designation is available vila folder names, and then the file name is presented, which usually contains superfluous info.

In the composer view, the work/opus info is not readily available, and then the title tag is sent...

gaaaaah>!

ok, adagio ma non troppo, but what movement of what quartet?

i want a work tag, an opus tag, a movement tag...

and composer tags should be sorted on family name, not first name.

[zip]

and composer tags should be sorted on family name, not first name.

So Rolling Stones would be under 'S'

[n3mmr]

and composer tags should be sorted on family name, not first name.

So Rolling Stones would be under 'S'

Don't be silly, Rolling Stones is not a composer name.

L v Beethoven or W A Mozart are composer names, as is John Lennon.

[zip]

well, it depends on tags. Most of my music (non classical, fair enough) have the band name as a composer.

[n3mmr]

well, it depends on tags. Most of my music (non classical, fair enough) have the band name as a composer.

Which is patently wrong.

Why adapt to obvious misuse?

Honestly, as far as I am concerned, any music worth the effort has most of the characteristics of classical music: like a discernible composer and a performer, and all the other characteristics of classical music.

Like F Zappa: or B Dylan, who can be legitimately listed as composers.
If any mp3 file or flac file lists "Rolling Stones" as "composer", the creator of that file obviously has no idea what a composer's job is. And The Rolling Stones must of course be listed under "T".

I was going to say something nasty about The Rolling Stones as musicians, but let's just leave it.

[zip]

I agree it's probably misuse, but I have to adapt to the majority here. I doubt it's a huge problem to look for Beethoven under L instead of V or B.

[n3mmr]

I agree it's probably misuse, but I have to adapt to the majority here. I doubt it's a huge problem to look for Beethoven under L instead of V or B.

I don't agree at all: That is a major problem. Ask anyone with an interest in Classical music, or any kind of serious music, at that.

Should I look for Frank Zappa under "F" or "Z"???

Noone thinks of "Ludwig", everyone thinks of "Beethoven". Noone thinks of "Frank", everyone thinks of "Zappa". And who uses the composer tag for artist/band-centered stuff?
Or is it the case that as soon as some new tag comes along, the crowd will immediately fill it up with a copy of some existing tag?
Just to make absolutely sure things stay unusable.....



Configurability is the only way out of this.

[Cerberus]

I agree it's probably misuse, but I have to adapt to the majority here. I doubt it's a huge problem to look for Beethoven under L instead of V or B.

I don't agree at all: That is a major problem. Ask anyone with an interest in Classical music, or any kind of serious music, at that.

Should I look for Frank Zappa under "F" or "Z"???

Noone thinks of "Ludwig", everyone thinks of "Beethoven". Noone thinks of "Frank", everyone thinks of "Zappa". And who uses the composer tag for artist/band-centered stuff?
Or is it the case that as soon as some new tag comes along, the crowd will immediately fill it up with a copy of some existing tag?
Just to make absolutely sure things stay unusable.....

Configurability is the only way out of this.

Wow slightly rude there bro just cause people dont listen to classical does NOT mean they are not listening to serious music, as for your second point yep as soon as a new tag is added it filled with either garbage ( advert url ) or the band/artists name, if you dont like that then just edit your music files and remove it like anyone else who is SERIOUS about there music collection. On another note if you want to enter composer correctly on a classical music files you would enter it like this " Beethoven, Lugwig Van " so then serviio woud use the B and not the L. We do this for movies to that have " the " on the start.

Configuration inside serviio is not needed and would bloat serviio, there are many many free software packages on teh market to edit music file tags btoh singuly or mass edit.

[n3mmr]

I agree it's probably misuse, but I have to adapt to the majority here. I doubt it's a huge problem to look for Beethoven under L instead of V or B.

I don't agree at all: That is a major problem. Ask anyone with an interest in Classical music, or any kind of serious music, at that.

Should I look for Frank Zappa under "F" or "Z"???

Noone thinks of "Ludwig", everyone thinks of "Beethoven". Noone thinks of "Frank", everyone thinks of "Zappa". And who uses the composer tag for artist/band-centered stuff?
Or is it the case that as soon as some new tag comes along, the crowd will immediately fill it up with a copy of some existing tag?
Just to make absolutely sure things stay unusable.....

Configurability is the only way out of this.

Wow slightly rude there bro just cause people dont listen to classical does NOT mean they are not listening to serious music, as for your second point yep as soon as a new tag is added it filled with either garbage ( advert url ) or the band/artists name, if you dont like that then just edit your music files and remove it like anyone else who is SERIOUS about there music collection. On another note if you want to enter composer correctly on a classical music files you would enter it like this " Beethoven, Lugwig Van " so then serviio woud use the B and not the L. We do this for movies to that have " the " on the start.

Configuration inside serviio is not needed and would bloat serviio, there are many many free software packages on teh market to edit music file tags btoh singuly or mass edit.

Well, the argument on rude-or-not, let's just leave that. We on the other side feel just as offended. I apologize regardless, my wording was an intended ironic joke turned sour.

Also: the most difficult bit will still be getting a suitable subset of the tags actually supplied displayed by media players and control points, and THAT is where configurability will really be needed.
Plugplayer's designers seem willing to consider configurability, and SONOS seem not too averse to the idea, either. The latter have a little bit of that already.

The only thing that might be reasonable, and possibly necessary, to ask for in serviio would be to supply more tags, and possibly variants.
E g there's a upnp:title and a dc:title, and one could be sent as currently, and the other always as the Title tag.

[zip]

Sending more elements is not a problem at all. As long as it's by the standard. If you know some renderers that use those kind of tags, I'll add them.

[Cerberus]

ah cool ok i have to admit irony is lost on me most of the time im not smart enoguh to get it , i agree with you if the tag is there and a few renders support it, then lets send it, the more information we can supply the better in my opinion