Panny GT30 and MKV: why?

Hi everybody,

first of all thank you Serviio!

Now my pain: the MKV on my Panny GT30 Really i don't understand why some mkv are managed natively from my Panny and others are transcoded through Serviio.

Obviously Serviio isn't the problem but the solution, in any cases i don't understand what are the parameters into mkv file that create the problem in my Panny.

Please below you can find the report from MediaInfo application about the MKV properties, the first report is a MKV natively read from my TV, the second report is about a MKV that the Serviio transcode. The question is WHY? Which are the differences?

Anyone can help me?

thx
Freeman

***********************************************FIRST REPORT
General
Unique ID : 194867440791330774852542818890875439358 (0x929A1A9BDA1DD7A2AC1B1B2E529088FE)
Complete name : C:\Users\xxxxxxxxxx\Videos\Il nome della Rosa\Il Nome della Rosa.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 7.95 GiB
Duration : 2h 6mn
Overall bit rate : 9 025 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2010-09-18 07:26:38
Writing application : mkvmerge v3.4.0 ('Rapunzel') built on May 15 2010 09:38:20
Writing library : libebml v0.8.0 + libmatroska v0.9.0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 2h 6mn
Bit rate : 8 458 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 036 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 1.853
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.170
Stream size : 7.28 GiB (92%)
Writing library : x264 core 104 r1713 c276662
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=18 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=5 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=60 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=8458 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format profile : Dolby Digital
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2h 6mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 24ms
Stream size : 173 MiB (2%)
Title : italiano dd 2.0
Language : Italian

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 2h 6mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 24ms
Stream size : 346 MiB (4%)
Title : inglese dd 5.1

Text #1
ID : 4
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title : italiano
Language : Italian

Text #2
ID : 5
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title : inglese
Language : English

Menu
00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 1
00:02:42.760 : en:Chapter 2
00:05:58.600 : en:Chapter 3
00:10:14.680 : en:Chapter 4
00:14:32.000 : en:Chapter 5
00:18:26.080 : en:Chapter 6
00:21:16.480 : en:Chapter 7
00:24:46.160 : en:Chapter 8
00:29:55.600 : en:Chapter 9
00:36:09.440 : en:Chapter 10
00:40:49.560 : en:Chapter 11
00:46:54.720 : en:Chapter 12
00:50:03.400 : en:Chapter 13
00:52:50.720 : en:Chapter 14
00:55:18.840 : en:Chapter 15
00:58:38.520 : en:Chapter 16
01:03:21.560 : en:Chapter 17
01:07:26.520 : en:Chapter 18
01:11:42.160 : en:Chapter 19
01:15:17.920 : en:Chapter 20
01:19:34.160 : en:Chapter 21
01:23:17.280 : en:Chapter 22
01:26:51.760 : en:Chapter 23
01:31:09.360 : en:Chapter 24
01:34:12.640 : en:Chapter 25
01:37:38.520 : en:Chapter 26
01:42:29.840 : en:Chapter 27
01:45:20.000 : en:Chapter 28
01:49:33.120 : en:Chapter 29
01:52:31.080 : en:Chapter 30
01:56:11.000 : en:Chapter 31
01:58:01.600 : en:Chapter 32
02:02:50.520 : en:Chapter 33


***********************************************SECOND REPORT

[Cerberus]

you answered your own question :S the second file is transcoded cause your panny does not support it in native format.

you answered your own question :S the second file is transcoded cause your panny does support it in native format.

ok but WHY? What's the native format?

have you compared the reports? i need to know the differences not the results.

[Cerberus]

you answered your own question :S the second file is transcoded cause your panny does not support it in native format.

ok but WHY? What's the native format?

have you compared the reports? i need to know the differences not the results.

i would but i dont see the second file, there are many post here on why it happens, the most common reason being profile level being to high.

The normal user can be safe in the knowledge that it wouldnt do it unless it was needed as i made teh panasonic profile and have extensively tested them

This is the second file (i believe that it has been truncated in my first post, i'm sorry )
I agree with you about the panasonic profile intensive testing, but the serviio profile is necessary only for streaming, my question is about the native reading (and how serviio understands when the streaming is needed).

thx

General
Unique ID : 208351306704215334569760907175263339303 (0x9CBF0086921895069E864B4999A20327)
Complete name : \\sntuwk996\film\Rio.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 4.38 GiB
Duration : 1h 35mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 6 528 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-09-04 10:27:25
Writing application : mkvmerge v4.9.1 ('Ich will') compilato con Jul 11 2011 23:53:15
Writing library : libebml v1.2.1 + libmatroska v1.1.1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 35mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 3 947 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 532 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.242
Stream size : 2.58 GiB (59%)
Title : BDRip720p by Pitt@Sk8
Writing library : x264 core 116 r2074 2641b9e
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / slices=4 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=1 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=1 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3947 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=40000 / vbv_bufsize=40000 / nal_hrd=vbr / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 35mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 755 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 518 MiB (12%)
Title : Italiano DTS 5.1 768 kbps - Pitt@Sk8
Language : Italian

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 35mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 308 MiB (7%)
Title : Italiano AC3 5.1 448 kbps - Pitt@Sk8
Language : Italian

Audio #3
ID : 4
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 35mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 308 MiB (7%)
Title : English AC3 5.1 448 kbps - Pitt@Sk8
Language : English

Audio #4
ID : 5
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 35mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 308 MiB (7%)
Title : Spanish AC3 5.1 448 kbps - Pitt@Sk8
Language : Spanish

Audio #5
ID : 6
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 35mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 308 MiB (7%)
Title : Portuguese AC3 5.1 448 kbps - Pitt@Sk8
Language : Portuguese

Text #1
ID : 7
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title : Cartelli SRT - Italiano
Language : Italian

Text #2
ID : 8
Format : UTF-8
Codec ID : S_TEXT/UTF8
Codec ID/Info : UTF-8 Plain Text
Title : Sottotitoli SRT - Italiano
Language : Italian

Text #3
ID : 9
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Title : Cartelli - Italiano
Language : Italian

Text #4
ID : 10
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Title : Sottotitoli - Italiano
Language : Italian

Text #5
ID : 11
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Title : Subtitle - English
Language : English

Text #6
ID : 12
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Title : Subtitle Forced - Spanish
Language : Spanish

Text #7
ID : 13
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Title : Subtitle - Spanish
Language : Spanish

Text #8
ID : 14
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Title : Subtitle Forced - Portuguese
Language : Portuguese

Text #9
ID : 15
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Title : Subtitle - Portuguese
Language : Portuguese

Menu
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00:06:34.853 : en:02
00:12:16.569 : en:03
00:16:13.139 : en:04
00:21:29.497 : en:05
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01:21:19.333 : en:22
01:23:43.477 : en:23
01:26:38.902 : en:24

[Cerberus]

I agree with you about the panasonic profile intensive testing, but the serviio profile is necessary only for streaming, my question is about the native reading (and how serviio understands when the streaming is needed).

Serviio doesnt i tell it what to do with each file, in the profile, i know from experience and from look at sink information, what a device supports then i tell it via the profile if i want it to transcode a file, and serviio knows if it isnt in the list of transcode requests to just send the file as it is to the player.

FYI - the second file is REMUXED because it has DTS audio as first track if you used mkvmerge to remove that first DTS track the file would not be REMUXED and would play natively.

http://wiki.serviio.org/doku.php?id=rem ... ted_tracks

ok, but in this case (the last one ) i have the first audio track DTS but Panny play natively !!! (i tried without transcoding option activated in serviio console).

i know that my question is the same but why? i cannot understand ...

General
Unique ID : 186617615561911412158164276721737854032 (0x8C653ED247174FD3A23DDFB48C44EC50)
Complete name : \\sntuwk996\film\Limitless [BDRip-1080p-Ita-Eng-Sub-Ita-Chapters][RiP By MaX].mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 7.96 GiB
Duration : 1h 45mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 10.8 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2011-10-08 11:33:24
Writing application : mkvmerge v5.0.0 ('Die Wahre Liebe') built on Sep 25 2011 20:33:49
Writing library : libebml v1.2.2 + libmatroska v1.3.0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 8 367 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 800 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.227
Stream size : 6.02 GiB (76%)
Title : Limitless [BDRip 1080p][RiP By MaX]
Writing library : x264 core 118 r2085 8a62835
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=1 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=1 / weightp=1 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=8367 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=40000 / vbv_bufsize=40000 / nal_hrd=vbr / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : Italian
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 755 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 570 MiB (7%)
Title : Ita Dts 5.1
Language : Italian

Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 339 MiB (4%)
Title : Ita Ac3 5.1
Language : Italian

Audio #3
ID : 4
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 755 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 570 MiB (7%)
Title : Eng Dts 5.1
Language : English

Audio #4
ID : 5
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 1h 45mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 339 MiB (4%)
Title : Eng Ac3 5.1
Language : English

Text
ID : 6
Format : VobSub
Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
Title : Sub Ita NU
Language : Italian

Menu
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00:14:45.167 : :02
00:26:32.250 : :03
00:39:25.292 : :04
00:43:32.417 : :05
00:57:14.208 : :06
01:10:20.833 : :07
01:23:06.417 : :08

[Cerberus]

ok last time cause i can only take the whys for so long.

not all models support DTS and ones that do some dts file play other refuse, so they are all remuxed for consistancy

[Illico]

Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Seems to be a very bitrate, not sure if your device renderer can support this.

Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Seems to be a very bitrate, not sure if your device renderer can support this.

this is the bitrate related to last file, but the last file is played natively.

thx
f.

[zip]

ok last time cause i can only take the whys for so long.

not all models support DTS and ones that do some dts file play other refuse, so they are all remuxed for consistancy

Maybe you can just point him to the threads where you were working on the profile? or OP can try to search.

[voodooo]

Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Seems to be a very bitrate, not sure if your device renderer can support this.

this is the bitrate related to last file, but the last file is played natively.

thx
f.

That second file should play. Try to remove unneeded audio and sub just to clean it. Does it say format no supported or it stutter ?

Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Seems to be a very bitrate, not sure if your device renderer can support this.

this is the bitrate related to last file, but the last file is played natively.

thx
f.

That second file should play. Try to remove unneeded audio and sub just to clean it. Does it say format no supported or it stutter ?

Hi guys,

this is the point of my analysis, the target is to understand the mkv structure played natively on my Panny GT30 (in a nutshell the transcoding option must be unchecked).

In my previous post i've included the Mediainfo information about Rio.mkv file. This file needs the transcoding but i can play it natively if:

- remux the file with "disable header removal compression for audio and video tracks defaults" option checked in mkvmerge;
- REMOVE the subtitles tracks IF THESE ARE GREATER THAN 8.

I tried it with other mkv files where previously transcoding was required.

Now i have another little problem: if i try to play forward or backward function during mkv play, this don't work. Anyone have any idea?

thx
freeman