[SOLVED] Sony Bravia (2009) on 'local' network?

Hi guys,

I'm pretty green to all this, so please apologise if this doesn't make sense. I've searched around and not found a similar situation / solution...

I'm trying to run serviio on a wireless network to a modem that is not connected to the internet.
My Sony TV is wired to modem via ethernet, modem has it's own wireless network.
I'm connecting my Mac (OSX 10.6.8) to this network and running serviio... But the TV won't recognise serviio.

Just to add: I was previously running serviio without problems from my previous modem, on a network connected to the internet. I moved house and now the TV is nowhere near the phone line so I've acquired another modem to try and set up this new way.

Hopefully somebody more skilled than me can figure out what I'm on about and offer a solution? Sorry again for my rambling.

[DenyAll]

Serviio doesn't require connection to the internet. I suspect your problem lies more with the new router (modem) you have installed.

Try connecting all devices by cable rather than by wireless, as a test. If that works, let me know the model of router you are using.

Great idea. Thanks for that.

Do you mean try connecting the TV directly to my Mac via Ethernet? I didn't think of that... Will check it now.

The modem is a Netgear DVG 1000...

Cheers for the help-

[DenyAll]

No I meant connecting both the Mac and the TV to wired ports on the DVG 1000.

[atc98092]

Sounds like an IP address issue. Two different modems on the same network, both issuing IP addresses through DHCP. Very possible duplicate IP address on the TV, so now it can't find anything on the network.

If I misunderstood about two modems, I still feel it's an IP address issue. Possibly something has a static IP that does't match what the new modem is issuing.

Sounds like an IP address issue. Two different modems on the same network, both issuing IP addresses through DHCP. Very possible duplicate IP address on the TV, so now it can't find anything on the network.

If I misunderstood about two modems, I still feel it's an IP address issue. Possibly something has a static IP that does't match what the new modem is issuing.

Hi. Thanks for the reply. I think you may be on to something. I just tried connecting both my Mac and the TV to the router via ethernet. Restored router to factory settings and still serviio is not recognised by the TV.

I'm wondering if there's anything I can do TV side to force it to somehow re-check for new networks... At the moment it's showing a long list of greyed out serviio icons from back when it was working. Maybe these need to be cleared?

Just to clarify- I think I used incorrect terminology before- my apologies. I have a modem connected to the internet that is separate to all of this- and a second router, that's not connected to the web that I'm trying to use as a bridge between serviio on our macs and the Sony TV.

Phew. Hope that makes sense? Thanks again.

[atc98092]

Sounds like an IP address issue. Two different modems on the same network, both issuing IP addresses through DHCP. Very possible duplicate IP address on the TV, so now it can't find anything on the network.

If I misunderstood about two modems, I still feel it's an IP address issue. Possibly something has a static IP that does't match what the new modem is issuing.

Hi. Thanks for the reply. I think you may be on to something. I just tried connecting both my Mac and the TV to the router via ethernet. Restored router to factory settings and still serviio is not recognised by the TV.

I'm wondering if there's anything I can do TV side to force it to somehow re-check for new networks... At the moment it's showing a long list of greyed out serviio icons from back when it was working. Maybe these need to be cleared?

Just to clarify- I think I used incorrect terminology before- my apologies. I have a modem connected to the internet that is separate to all of this- and a second router, that's not connected to the web that I'm trying to use as a bridge between serviio on our macs and the Sony TV.

Phew. Hope that makes sense? Thanks again.

The router that you are using as a bridge: have you made any setting changes to it, or did you just put it elsewhere on your network and using it as a switch? I ask because by default virtually all routers provide DHCP service (assigning the IP address) and you only want one of those on your network. Also, if two devices on your network has the same IP address, that can cause all sorts of issues as well.

I have a router that I am using as a switch and WAP (wireless access point). I had to make the following changes: disable DHCP, ensure the IP address it was using was within the correct range for my network. I later discovered the Linksys had a setting for the WAN port labeled "Bridge", which completely disabled all router functionality and made it work strictly as a WAP.

The most important things you need to ensure is that all devices on your network are on compatible IP addresses. For most home use, the IP address range used is 192.168.0.x, where x can equal from 1 to 154. The NETMASK setting should be 255.255.255.0. Usually your main router (connected to the Internet) is 192.168.0.1, and it will assign (via DHCP) an IP address to other devices as they connect to the network. First check the IP address of your router, and then make sure every other device has an address that has the same numbers in the first three positions, and all have the same netmask. My guess is that somewhere, something has an IP address that isn't in the correct range.

[DenyAll]

I'm wondering if there's anything I can do TV side to force it to somehow re-check for new networks... At the moment it's showing a long list of greyed out serviio icons from back when it was working. Maybe these need to be cleared

On the bravia's you can reset your list of servers. I'm not at home at the moment so I can't recall where, but try under your Network settings (or search the forum, it's listed here somewhere).

Your network setup has confused me. Are you running Serviio and your a Mac on a separate network? Perhaps draw it somehow. Using bridges (if you are - you may be confusing your terminology between routers, bridges and modems) can be problematic as bridges often restrict broadcast packets - which are used by your device to let Serviio know they exist, and visa versa. Similarly some routers restrict broadcasts between their wired LAN and WLANs - hence my first question - but not the Netgear afaik. As stated above, make sure all devices are on the same IP address range.

Hi all, many thanks for the replies.

Hopefully this will explain my (complicated) setup:

Modem setup:
THE INTERNET > D-LINK WIRELESS MODEM (this setup is working fine).

Serviio setup:
VARIOUS MACS > NETGEAR DVG 1000 > SONY BRAVIA

I tried disconnecting everything and then wiring my mac and TV via ethernet to the D-link modem (that worked before we moved house).
The TV still didn't recognise Serviio, so my next plan is to try and change the IP address of the Netgear (that I'm using as a bridge) to a unique address, such as 192.168.0.2, as the D-link that we use as a modem is 192.168.0.1.

Gonna have a go at this now, and will report back- thanks again!

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Ok, so still no luck. Here are the settings of the DVG 1000 that I have connected to my computer and TV.

The computer is al and has the IP address of 192.168.0.2 and I'm guess ing 192.168.0.3 is the TV?

Does the IP address of the other modem that's attached to the internet matter in all of this? Seeing as it's not on the same network it shouldn't be anything to do with this... Correct me if I'm wrong?

Thanks again-

[atc98092]

OK, I am still not following something. Is there any connection between the D-Link and the Netgear? If so, then yes they are one the same network and the IP address does matter. They may be different segments, but certainly should be assigned IP addresses within the same subnet.

This is how I think your setup show go, but again I'm making some assumptions here. All devices with an IP address set manually should have a netmask of 255.255.255.0 .

The D-Link should be your primary router for the network. It should have an IP address of 192.168.0.1, and should be assigning IP addresses beginning with 192.168.0.10. You can set the address range in the D-Link DHCP settings. Make sure the correct netmask is being assigned as well.

There should be a Ethernet cable connecting the D-Link to the Netgear. This would plug into the "Internet" port on the Netgear. If this is impossible to do, then the Netgear should wirelessly connect to the D-Link as a bridge (as you appear to have done). The Netgear should have an IP address of 192.168.0.2. Make sure the Netgear has DHCP disabled, although selecting Bridge should do that automatically. Being in Bridge mode should pass everything between the two segments.

All other devices (Mac, TV, etc.) should get their IP address from the network DHCP device, which should be the D-Link. Verify that they have been assigned an address that is 192.168.0.10 or higher.

Why start the address range at .10? This leaves you some room for devices that you might wish to assign an IP address, without interfering with the DHCP range.

From the Mac, you should be able to ping any other device on the network. If the ping fails, then there is a definite issue with your IP addressing and router configurations.

Again, thanks so much for taking the time to try and help with this. I'm very grateful.

Been tinkering with this all morning and I'm getting ready to throw this router out the window!

Anyway, apologies for not making this clear: There is no connection from the Belkin to the Netgear. I initially tried to get the Netgear to join my existing wifi network, but it's apparently impossible- So the Netgear will be used solely for connecting Serviio to the TV.

My plan is to connect the Netgear to the TV, on it's own wifi network, which I can connect my mac to and use serviio. This won't be connected to the internet at all.

Hopefully that's cleared everything up... Any ideas as to how I can make this happen would be gratefully received!

[atc98092]

Again, thanks so much for taking the time to try and help with this. I'm very grateful.

Been tinkering with this all morning and I'm getting ready to throw this router out the window!

Anyway, apologies for not making this clear: There is no connection from the Belkin to the Netgear. I initially tried to get the Netgear to join my existing wifi network, but it's apparently impossible- So the Netgear will be used solely for connecting Serviio to the TV.

My plan is to connect the Netgear to the TV, on it's own wifi network, which I can connect my mac to and use serviio. This won't be connected to the internet at all.

Hopefully that's cleared everything up... Any ideas as to how I can make this happen would be gratefully received!

OK, let's disregard the D-Link completely. It won't be part of the network that Serviio is on.

What it sounds like you are describing is a complete, isolated network, with no inter-connectivity with anything. This means of course that the Mac can't see the Internet either. You have the Netgear in bridge mode. This means you are using it for two purposes: a wireless access point for the TV and a switch that the Mac plugs into. Now, there is nothing on the network that is providing IP addresses (no DHCP). This requires setting static IP addresses in each device. I suggest using a different IP address range for the Mac, Netgear and TV from your D-Link network. This way, you could add another network adapter to the Mac (USB dongle perhaps) and have the Mac connected to both networks and be able to access the Internet. But leave that idea alone for now, until you have everything working first.

Set the IP address of the Netgear to 192.168.1.1 (note the slight change from the D-Link network). Use the same netmask (255.255.255.0). Set the Mac to .2, and the TV to .3. Of course, the TV must be connected to the Netgear, either wireless or Ethernet cable. These three devices should now be able to talk to each other, and Serviio should be available on the TV.

[DenyAll]

Cant help but think it may be easier to start again and that you'd be better not using bridge mode at all (bridges can be a pita if you're not network savvy):

• Login to your Netgear Router and do a factory rest;
• Connect back into the Netgear Router, and go to LAN settings. Set your routers IP address to be 192.168.10.1 - the DHCP settings should automatically change to be 192.168.10.2 to 192.168.10.254. This will ensure that this networks IP address range does not conflict with your other (internet) network on the DLink router. Press apply - you may need to reboot the router for this to take effect.
• Connect your TV's and any Macs to this network

This is all you should need to do. Your TV and Macs should be assigned a 192.168.10.XXX address from the Netgear (you don't need to assign their addresses or subnet masks) and it should all work. If it doesn't for whatever reason, turn off your DLink (just in case your Macs are inadvertently still connected to that - you can also tell by going to the internet - if connected to the Netgear they will not be able to access the net. If you can get to the internet it means they are still connected to the Dlink). Also, in Serviio console make sure you are bound to a 192.168.10.xxx address.

As I said it should work. If it still doesn't, go to the TV and to your Macs and check their network settings and find what IP address they have connected on - let us know. Also, did you clear all the ghost Serviio icons from the TV (clear the server list in the TV's Network menu).

ps. having two networks like this is a pain - while the TV will remain connected to the Netgear network, the MAC's will need to connect to the DLink (in the last post you mentioned a Belkin instead?) network when accessing the internet, and to the Netgear network when acting as a Serviio server (and if they get wireless connectivity from both you may have problems...). A better approach would be to have one network - why have you done it this way? Why not run everything off the Dlink/Belkin as a single network? If its simply that the Tv is too far away from the internet Dlink --> then there are also ways to make the Netgear effectively a slave off the Dlink rather than have it as a separate network.

[atc98092]

I was curious about two networks as well. Your suggestions are certainly less work than mine!

The only reason I suggested leaving the Netgear in Bridge mode is my experience using my Linksys Router as a switch and WAP was that I encountered some strange routing issues across my network that went away with the Linksys set to Bridge. Of course, for his simple, non-Internet connected network that probably wouldn't be an issue.

I concur that having a single network would greatly simplify things. Plus, you have the ability of Serviio to access online resources. That can be worthwhile.

Hello everyone,

Apologies for my lack of updates for a while... Work etc has been getting in the way.

A friend ended up bringing round a wifi range extender that he had lying around.... We used that to join the existing network and ethernet into the TV. Everything is now working perfectly.

Thanks to all of you for your help here. Although I used an easy fix the information you've all given me has been amazing. Hopefully others will read this and it'll help them.

This is a great forum. Thanks again!

[atc98092]

The important thing is it now works. Now you can get down to the serious business of watching your videos!